Spackman see last post, the book of mormon does not support the idea of a completely sailless barge. Mormon tree of life vision the original vision published by joseph smith in the book of mormon and on the misplaced golden plates was claimed to have originated by lehi which means jawbone of an ass, the weapon used by samson to slay philistines in beit shemesh house of the sun. Book of mormon difficulties, contradictions and explanations. How this latterday saint submarine officer finds gospel light deep. It is a true story and the uss torsk ss423 is a floating museum in baltimore, md. The book of abraham translated from the papyrus, by joseph smith a translation of some ancient records, that have fallen into our hands from the catacombs of egypt. Lds church members are taught that the book of mormon bom is scripture, as well as a true record of the inhabitants of the americas from about 2200 bc to. Book of ether mormonism, the mormon church, beliefs. How did the jaredites in the book of mormon build barges to cross. The first babylonian siege and exile happened under king jehoiachin.
This is a spot for civilians, military historians, members of the lds church and anybody else who enjoys studying the military aspects of the book of mormon and its impact on the lds church, society and the field of military history. Laing has spent more than half a decade performing his duties underwater as a submarine officer. The assumption of a submarine like vessel seems unlikely. The lord caused the wind to blow the jaredites barges to the promised land. Sorenson seems to have assumed from the length of time the crossing took that the barges merely drifted and were sailless. Korea the ohioclass boats entered service in the 1980s as a replacement for five different classes of fleet ballistic. He didnt really understand the king james, and he assumed no one else did, either. Cement in the book of mormon is it concrete proof that the book of mormon is true. Im thinking faced with that caliber of bullshit even obama would have found himself out of his depth. If youve read it, did you do it with the eye of faith, or with the eye of reason and common sense. After jesus resurrection lds people believe he visited the peoples of. The book of ether is one of the books of the book of mormon.
German u boats of the kriegsmarine and submarines of other nations. Book of abraham numbers, stars, counting and philosophy are similar, including stars populated by various orders of intelligences. This is where i publish my preliminary research notes and ideas concerning warfare in the book of mormon. The jaredites travel to the promised landbook of mormon stories.
Technology posted on april 11, 2015 december 21, 2015 by wes trexler we already discussed the chariots which i think is a huge problem. They are capable of maintaining an air supply underwater by opening a hole. The war of 1812 cannon barge windows is a game over kind of slip. According to the book of mormon, they fled across the ocean on unique barges and established an ancient civilization in america. Although the book of ether never says that the jaredite barges had sails, we. Realized the idea of wooden submarines is reason enough to. The book of mormon mainly its book of ether describes the jaredites as the descendants of jared and his brother, who lived at the time of the tower of babel. The timeline sets the beginning 2040k years ago for modern humans in the americas.
Heres what really reveals the true joseph smith, however. But keep in mind that horses in the book of mormon are one of the biggest weaknesses in a book abounding with strengths. How did the jaredites in the book of mormon build barges to. Boyne editor a compelling history of the submarine, from conception, to gestation, to birth during world war i, to the genesis of the mighty nuclear submarine. Submarines were being investigated around the time of smiths childhood. The worlds largest submarine book store for submarine and u boat books about submarines for submariners. Interfaith thursday, may 20, 2010 interesting that the lds church stop printing mormon doctrine saying there is no market in selling it, yet the book stores cant keep them in stock, the real reason i believe is interfaithism is the goal of the n. Compass, coins, and other miscellaneous some of the supposed book of mormon anachronisms are difficult to categorize, so they are included here. Lds church members are taught that the book of mormon bom is scripture, as well as a true record of the inhabitants of the americas from about 2200 bc to 420 ad. Stones touched by jesus in 2500 bc to light the submarines built by the first native americans. Smiths book of ether shows that it is derivative of hunts the late war.
This blue edition of the book of mormon includes footnotes, crossreferences, and guide to the scriptures. Yes, mormons do believe in the worldwide noachian flood as well as the tower of babel which plays in with the book of mormon narrative regarding the jaredites who according to the book of mormon arrived in large, wooden submarines which flipped over and over in bad weather. Before he started reading, he asked me what i knew about it. Absurdities in the book of mormon egyptian language. A political, social, and military history by brayton harris, walter j. The book of mormon is a book of lds scripture that takes place during the same time as the bible and takes place on the american continent. It is interesting therefore to note that a recent excavation in ecuador turned up 12,000 pieces of metal money, thereby confirming that the ancient americans used standard units of.
Nov 07, 2010 when i point out the vanishingly low probability that the jaredites could have transited to the new world as described in the book of ether, the invariable mormon response, after consideration of the facts, is that the journey was accomplished by supernatural means, in other words in violation of. Can the mormon transhumanist movement reconcile technological progress with religious prophecy. Our editors pick the best novels and nonfiction books on underwater warfare. The first submarines in the book of mormon, one might just say read the chapter heres a link. It is not considered to be a religious text by the community of christ. What does the book of mormon tell us about technology. The book of mormon records the visit of jesus christ to people in the americas following his resurrection. The book of mormon is a religious record of three groups of people who migrated from the old world to the american continents. A fascinating exploration of the steps and stumbles during development, a rousing tribute to those who fought and died, and a powerful study of the submarines impact on america, the navy times book of submarines is an unparalleled source for understanding the great hunters of the deep. Thats what did it for my nevermo son when his mormon sortofgirlfriend gave him a bom to read. Find differences in the their journey above and below the sea.
If that claim is true, then historians across the globe who credit either columbus or the vikings with the discovery of america are clearly misguided. The hunt for red october by tom clancy, red storm rising by tom clancy, voyage of the devilfish by michael dimercurio, attac. Nov 26, 2019 the mormon claim of accurate and precise translation for the book of mormon cannot be harmonized with errors such as these. It is interesting therefore to note that a recent excavation in ecuador turned up 12,000 pieces of metal money, thereby confirming that the ancient americans used standard units of metal money. One of the best evidences was the mention of cement. If the book is true, as i believe it is, it should hardly be surprising that serious unresolved questions marks persist in some areas. The statement is from the book of ether where the brother of jared is directed by the lord to build unpowered submarines, termed barges, to cross the ocean to the promised land. Under the sea, latterday saint submarine officer kindles. The book of abraham was canonized in 1880 by the lds church as part of the pearl of great price.
An ancient american setting for the book of mormon, p. Roberts made an intensive study of passages from the view of the hebrews and compared it with similar material found in the book of mormon and concluded that ethan smiths book may well have furnished structural outlines for joseph smiths book, and he further concluded that joseph smith had creative and imaginative abilities. The book of ether is one of the books that make up the book of mormon. People were no longer using that old english style even in joseph smiths day. Searching for book of mormon lands allen, joseph l. Compass, coins, and other miscellaneous book of mormon. The book of ether tells of an ancient people the jaredites, descendants of jared and his companions who were led by god to the americas shortly after the destruction of the tower of babel. I hadnt heard of your book, although should have as a former ussvi associate and a current uss cod advisory group member. The writings of abraham while he was in egypt, called the book of abraham, written by his own hand, upon papyrus.
The book of mormon dates this event to the first year of the reign of zedekiah. The fastpaced, factdriven, backseat game show fans can now play without hailing a taxi. A divinely guided book would not contain these kinds or numbers of grammatical mistakes, and to claim inspiration for such a book is to cast reproach upon god himself. Coins the term coins is never actually used in the book of mormon text. When used as a noun to refer to a type of naval vessel, the word submarine refers to a vessel that can. These intelligences are progressive beings headed towards perfection. Update on horses in the book of mormon mormanity a. These groups were led by prophets who recorded their religious and secular histories on metal plates. A forum for exmormons and others who have been affected by mormonism to share news, commentary, and comedy about the mormon church. When i point out the vanishingly low probability that the jaredites could have transited to the new world as described in the book of ether, the invariable mormon response, after consideration of the facts, is that the journey was accomplished by supernatural means, in other words in violation of. He testified that the book of mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion introduction to the book of mormon. If todays stealth nuclear submarines are modernday iterations of the whale, then u. The jaredite barges book of mormon mormon dialogue.
Spam or selfpromotional the list is spam or selfpromotional. Nor really for many word choices in the book of mormon my guess is that it was. Book of mormon problems lds church members are taught that the book of mormon bom is scripture, as well as a true record of the inhabitants of the americas from about 2200 bc to 420 ad. Thus, it forms a doctrinal foundation for the lds church and mormon fundamentalist denominations of the latter day saint movement. The author of the book of mormon was evidently unaware that the babylonians had already sieged jerusalem and exiled its people. Possible sources of plagairism for joseph smith exploring. But whenever hes about to embark on a submarine mission, his thoughts focus on another ancient mariner the book of mormons brother of. It describes the jaredites, descendants of jared and his companions, who were led by god to the americas shortly after the confusion of tongues and the destruction of the tower of babel. In the book of mormon, alma employs a monetary system based on weight units of metal though not coins.
Military has submarines that could reach entire countries like n. Top 10 submarine books armchair general magazine we put. Update on horses in the book of mormon mormanity a mormon. A few photoshopped pictures of mormon submarines and missile silos deep beneath the temple in salt lake city, home of the world famous mormon pumpernickel choir. The mormon claim of accurate and precise translation for the book of mormon cannot be harmonized with errors such as these. Now read this submarine related books theleansubmariner. If mormons believe joseph smith was a prophet of god, they must accept his claim that the book of mormon, including the book of ether it contains, is an accurate history. Illustration by jon han on april 7, 1844, joseph smith, the founder of the mormon faith, delivered a sermon to twenty thousand of his followers in nauv. Feb 05, 2018 none of this will satisfy the critics.
When i was summarizing the bom, i told him about the wooden submarines, filled with people, their farm animals, and bee hives. Although it serves primarily as a religious text, it is to be interpreted literally as being an actual, historical record of the inhabitants of the ancient. Realized the idea of wooden submarines is reason enough. The lamanites and nephites were still the family of lehi and had not split into the two factions yet, when they sailed to the promised land in a ship. It follows the stories of two tribes who descended from the family of lehi.
And it came to pass that when they had prepared all manner of food, that thereby they might subsist upon the water, and also food for their flocks and herds, and bwhatsoever beast or animal or fowl that they should carry with themand it came to pass that when they had done all these things. Apr 02, 2011 the book of mormon is part coming of age story that chronicles the attempts of two naive mormon missionaries as they share the mormon message in uganda, and part hilarious religious satire which parker and stone describe as an atheists love letter to religion. The writing style of the book of mormon is similar to that of the king james version of the bible. The lord told the brother of jared to build unpowered submarines, termed barges or vessels, to cross the ocean to the promised land. Enjoy the best, most challenging, and most popular questions from the hit discovery show cash caband theyre all no fare.